Friday, July 14, 2006

Some relevant data points

OK. Not to open the whole debate again, but this is so timely, I couldn't resist.
Everybody must go read this. I insist.

22 comments:

The Inquisitive Akka said...

Wow!That was interesting! To have the same person give you the male and the female perspective!
I just finished my PhD (chemistry) and I find that that in fields like chemistry and biology we are considered almost equal to men :) Physics and maths... well that's something else altogether! I wonder when we'll ever get over stereotyping everyone.
Luckily I work in an R & D company where women outnumber men so I haven't had anyone tell me on my face (yet!) that I'm not good enough because of the XX factor!

The_Girl_From_Ipanema said...

hi inquisitive akka!

phd. in chem? now i can be sure you're not my akka. :-) wouldn't want her on here...:)

yes, i agree, in biology and i guess chemistry it seems like the numbers are more reassuring. for myself, personally I don't think I ever felt sidelined for being a woman, but then, I haven't gone out there , yet.

I have however, witnessed a few things second and third hand that left a lasting impression.

I do believe it has a lot to do with early upbringing & conditioning, how females "seem to " pick biology over math, or are, perhaps, unknowingly encouraged to. I don't know.

greensatya said...

Oh, I feel a bit intimidated, amidst all you PhDs, lol :)

But like 'akka' (what does akka mean by the way?), I must say that was interesting description.

Discrimination of any sort hurts. Almost all of us have been dicriminated, one time or other, so I know the pain.

The_Girl_From_Ipanema said...

@satya,
:)
akka means didi (elder sister) in telugu, and perhaps tulu too....

greensatya said...

I was imagining it to mean 'don' or something. :D

The_Girl_From_Ipanema said...

hahahhahahahahahha
i wish i could tell my sis that!
lol

The Inquisitive Akka said...

Akka means didi in tamil and kannada too! :)A Don?????!!Well I guess that's another way of describing loving, over-protective older sisters!:)
I can understand you don't want your akka reading your posts. My bro still hasn't forgiven me for finding his!

greensatya said...

Hehe, so I was close to my meaning of 'akka'. But I don't want sisters to know that, do I ? :P

qsg said...

Interesting link you pointed out, tgfi. It is true that as a woman you have to gain a LOT of credibility before people will listen to you. I have had instances where when I gve a suggestion - no one listened, and when a guy said the same thing people thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread!
At the end of the day it's prejudices. I believe the movie Crash brings that to the fore rather well - prejudices we don't even know exist, until... even the Business Week recently had an article on prejudices and how we make decisions without even realizing that we are prejudiced...
Anyways, great read.

These are some realities of life, which must be recognized. Not always easy to change, but there is always a way to rise above them!

Sayesha said...

Gosh... that was an interesting read!

Prashanth said...

Helllooooo we need more male voices here!!

- Men would cry as easily as girls if we had smaller egos.

- When I was a kid, if a girl came first in some test it was because "she mugged" and if a guy came first it was because he was "intelligent". But I really think in *MATURE* academic and business circles everybody knows that women are as smart or good at their stuff as men, and there is little discrimination, at least in the overt way.

- I concede that sometimes there is an "old boys' club" tendency to exclude women from certain male dominated areas, so women may be slighted there, but it's not that they are believed to be undeserving, just that they are not wanted.

- Well, I can go on and on but I'll stop :)

Psssst... maybe there's a genetic reason why women are always bad at directions!

confused said...

lolzzz@directions

I wonder if mapquest is run by woman.

Ok, this should ensure that I am banned from this blog . :)

The_Girl_From_Ipanema said...

QSG,
couldn't agree more with you.

sayesha,
it was, wasn't it?

prashanth,
:-) I mostly agree, but not entirely. But I promised myself, I will NOT argue on here!

confused,
I know where you live. And I can mapquest it too!

sharda said...

The story was really some thing!I never thought about it this way.May be I never went thorough it.

But the other important thing which came to my mind after reading that strory is that ,can it be true that not only physical but emmotional condition also affects the need to change the sexuality?although I never I thought about it,I am puzzeled.

Sirius Black said...

lolz Am in complete agreement with prashant in point of direction and driving also :P
nd yayyy to no more debate :)makes me goto sleep most of the times.

confused said...

Threats!

But the point was that if we accept woman suck at directions and if mapquest is really run by women, then by using mapquest and driving yourself, you will never be able to reach where I live.

NOW, that should get me banned.

:)

Duhita said...

It was definitely an interesting article:)

The_Girl_From_Ipanema said...

sharda,
interesting thought. I am sure it is possible. But it would be so hard to tease out psychological/emotional reasons from physiological/physical, as in what caused what..complicated!

sirius black,
hmm, you are tempting me to start something that is sleep inducing for you :)

confused,
> NOW, that should get you eliminated

/getting into car and heading towards NJ-168.

duhita,
yeah!

The Girl Who Sold The World said...

Jeez, interesting read!!! What's the whole debate here, by the way?

And I don't know about other females but I really DO suck at directions. I can't find my way to save my life. :P

The_Girl_From_Ipanema said...

tgwstw,
the whole debate started at this post:
http://deepthought00.blogspot.com/2006/07/women-in-science.html

but to save you the trouble, it was about affirmitive action, and discrimination between sexes in the academic world in particular and in the world in general.

hehe i remember reading about your post on how you get lost in your apt. complex. jeez! ;)

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